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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael and Grechen:

Yes, Michael--I think focusing on getting very good is a key component, and yes, Gretchen--I think working through the ever-growing channels that connect us directly to our audiences is also key. In fact, these can be mutually supportive, as we hone our skills in public. (I wrote a blog about that some time back.) I am going to be looking at some of these new and not-so-new ways of putting ourselves out there, building a platform, hustling . . . Thanks for your thoughtful comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael and Grechen:</p>
<p>Yes, Michael&#8211;I think focusing on getting very good is a key component, and yes, Gretchen&#8211;I think working through the ever-growing channels that connect us directly to our audiences is also key. In fact, these can be mutually supportive, as we hone our skills in public. (I wrote a blog about that some time back.) I am going to be looking at some of these new and not-so-new ways of putting ourselves out there, building a platform, hustling . . . Thanks for your thoughtful comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen Atwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen Atwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes you have to go directly to your readers. Many books that are not easy to quantify or pigeonhole get turned down by agents/publishers. Love the story about the &quot;Chicken Soup for the Soul&quot; guys...

If you cultivate an audience from readings or workshops or through serializing your stories on a blog...you can start countering their conventional wisdom with your own data. (Some of them seem to be really into data.)

I will run up against that with my book in some circles. There is a common belief that &quot;baseball books sell, football books don&#039;t.&quot;

Well, I do have some decent responses to that. (Books, like mine, that go beyond just a football story sometimes do sell, like &quot;Friday Night Lights&quot; a more universal story told through the specifics of a town&#039;s football team) 

But I plan to go to groups and reading excerpts of the book in progress to start building an audience. There can be a surprising number of avenues for doing that, I&#039;ve found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you have to go directly to your readers. Many books that are not easy to quantify or pigeonhole get turned down by agents/publishers. Love the story about the &#8220;Chicken Soup for the Soul&#8221; guys&#8230;</p>
<p>If you cultivate an audience from readings or workshops or through serializing your stories on a blog&#8230;you can start countering their conventional wisdom with your own data. (Some of them seem to be really into data.)</p>
<p>I will run up against that with my book in some circles. There is a common belief that &#8220;baseball books sell, football books don&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I do have some decent responses to that. (Books, like mine, that go beyond just a football story sometimes do sell, like &#8220;Friday Night Lights&#8221; a more universal story told through the specifics of a town&#8217;s football team) </p>
<p>But I plan to go to groups and reading excerpts of the book in progress to start building an audience. There can be a surprising number of avenues for doing that, I&#8217;ve found.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Reeves-McMillan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Reeves-McMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Elizabeth. I&#039;m not entitled to attention for my writing simply because it is good, or worthy, or anything else  (or because I believe it is). I earn it the appropriate attention by presenting it to the market, and to do this I must deal with the market on its terms. 

The market isn&#039;t perfect, but it has a degree of wisdom beyond its individual participants. And while bad writing can gather a market, just like any other bad product that is cynically produced and cynically packaged, all else being equal the cream will rise. 

This is a good reminder to me to keep working on the &quot;all else being equal&quot; part and not to hide any lights under bushels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Elizabeth. I&#8217;m not entitled to attention for my writing simply because it is good, or worthy, or anything else  (or because I believe it is). I earn it the appropriate attention by presenting it to the market, and to do this I must deal with the market on its terms. </p>
<p>The market isn&#8217;t perfect, but it has a degree of wisdom beyond its individual participants. And while bad writing can gather a market, just like any other bad product that is cynically produced and cynically packaged, all else being equal the cream will rise. </p>
<p>This is a good reminder to me to keep working on the &#8220;all else being equal&#8221; part and not to hide any lights under bushels.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Harriet--I am as much giving myself a pep talk as anything else. Of course the market (and marketers) mediating our relationships with our readers are flawed and frustrating. One alternative to the frustration of market forces dealt out perhaps inaccurately is small presses who perhaps have a different view of the market. Another is education: making sure people know how to read and get pleasure from reading in a way that creates a different demand than, say, a television-oriented generation would create. Annie Dillard says, no one ever read a book because they were too lazy to turn on the television. She disparages folks who are trying to get the attention of those whose attention is riveted on less worthy pursuits. So thank you, Harriet, for complicating this. 

@Amy--Thanks for your kind words. I am thrilled to hear you are excited about the next NaNoWriMo cycle. I am thinking of doing two months of prep/ planning, then NaNo plus a couple more weeks (folks dragged a bit there but it did lend itself to getting further along), and then a longer revision class. So gear up!

@Gretchen--Well put!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Harriet&#8211;I am as much giving myself a pep talk as anything else. Of course the market (and marketers) mediating our relationships with our readers are flawed and frustrating. One alternative to the frustration of market forces dealt out perhaps inaccurately is small presses who perhaps have a different view of the market. Another is education: making sure people know how to read and get pleasure from reading in a way that creates a different demand than, say, a television-oriented generation would create. Annie Dillard says, no one ever read a book because they were too lazy to turn on the television. She disparages folks who are trying to get the attention of those whose attention is riveted on less worthy pursuits. So thank you, Harriet, for complicating this. </p>
<p>@Amy&#8211;Thanks for your kind words. I am thrilled to hear you are excited about the next NaNoWriMo cycle. I am thinking of doing two months of prep/ planning, then NaNo plus a couple more weeks (folks dragged a bit there but it did lend itself to getting further along), and then a longer revision class. So gear up!</p>
<p>@Gretchen&#8211;Well put!!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, that got my attention!  partly because I was just discussing with my husband about me going back to work vs. finishing my book.  You are a natural writer Elizabeth, I&#039;m sure you know that already. I love the story of your great-grandparents, it&#039;s food for the imagination.
I can&#039;t wait for NaNoWriMo again this year.  I hope you plan to teach/support that again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, that got my attention!  partly because I was just discussing with my husband about me going back to work vs. finishing my book.  You are a natural writer Elizabeth, I&#8217;m sure you know that already. I love the story of your great-grandparents, it&#8217;s food for the imagination.<br />
I can&#8217;t wait for NaNoWriMo again this year.  I hope you plan to teach/support that again.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet Chessman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet Chessman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re so persuasive, Elizabeth!  I agree that the necessity to sell one&#039;s work can actually have an important aspect to it -- it pushes one to complete the ms., for one thing, and also to think of an audience as one writes -- to think how it is to enter and stay in this work. 

The problem is that the market, at any given point, has blind spots and limitations.  Something I&#039;ve experienced many times this year, in submitting fiction for grown-ups and for children, is that editors may praise a book for its characters, its &quot;classic&quot; prose, its beautiful writing, its emotion, and yet the editors can&#039;t get the book past their marketing people.  I can&#039;t, in this, sense, respect the market&#039;s &quot;choices.&quot;  

On the other hand, what am I doing, but forging on, trying to write a new novel that will be able to slip past this market Cerberus?  I&#039;m choosing to write about Degas in  New Orleans, because this is a subject that has an immediate &quot;hook,&quot; and a readership a publisher might feel they can count on.  Yet I am still very distressed about not being able to sell my other work, and I&#039;m still very cynical about the market; the writing I haven&#039;t been able to sell is not navel-gazing work at all; it&#039;s very much written TO someone out there.  

Yet I think your approach is wonderful, because it&#039;s a &quot;come on, let&#039;s do this thing!&quot; kind of approach, and in this economy, that&#039;s incredibly valuable.  I can&#039;t think of a better alternative.  My hat is off to you, my friend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re so persuasive, Elizabeth!  I agree that the necessity to sell one&#8217;s work can actually have an important aspect to it &#8212; it pushes one to complete the ms., for one thing, and also to think of an audience as one writes &#8212; to think how it is to enter and stay in this work. </p>
<p>The problem is that the market, at any given point, has blind spots and limitations.  Something I&#8217;ve experienced many times this year, in submitting fiction for grown-ups and for children, is that editors may praise a book for its characters, its &#8220;classic&#8221; prose, its beautiful writing, its emotion, and yet the editors can&#8217;t get the book past their marketing people.  I can&#8217;t, in this, sense, respect the market&#8217;s &#8220;choices.&#8221;  </p>
<p>On the other hand, what am I doing, but forging on, trying to write a new novel that will be able to slip past this market Cerberus?  I&#8217;m choosing to write about Degas in  New Orleans, because this is a subject that has an immediate &#8220;hook,&#8221; and a readership a publisher might feel they can count on.  Yet I am still very distressed about not being able to sell my other work, and I&#8217;m still very cynical about the market; the writing I haven&#8217;t been able to sell is not navel-gazing work at all; it&#8217;s very much written TO someone out there.  </p>
<p>Yet I think your approach is wonderful, because it&#8217;s a &#8220;come on, let&#8217;s do this thing!&#8221; kind of approach, and in this economy, that&#8217;s incredibly valuable.  I can&#8217;t think of a better alternative.  My hat is off to you, my friend!</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen Atwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen Atwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another aspect of writing that gets overlooked is relationship building...between author and reader. The market is a collective way of referring to all those relationships. 

I&#039;m not fond of writers who believe they someone else (or many someones) owes them a livelihood because they think what they are writing is good/important/whatever.

It is the obligation of the writer to build that relationship with readers, to think about what they want to know, what answers, or questions, they are seeking, and to think about how to make our books speak to people in ways they can relate to.

That doesn&#039;t mean writing down to, patronizing readers, it means acknowledging that the relationship is a two-way street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another aspect of writing that gets overlooked is relationship building&#8230;between author and reader. The market is a collective way of referring to all those relationships. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not fond of writers who believe they someone else (or many someones) owes them a livelihood because they think what they are writing is good/important/whatever.</p>
<p>It is the obligation of the writer to build that relationship with readers, to think about what they want to know, what answers, or questions, they are seeking, and to think about how to make our books speak to people in ways they can relate to.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean writing down to, patronizing readers, it means acknowledging that the relationship is a two-way street.</p>
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