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	<description>Elizabeth Stark&#039;s Storytelling World</description>
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		<title>By: Gretchen Atwood</title>
		<link>http://elizabethstark.com/2009/09/16/the-plot-against-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-902</link>
		<dc:creator>Gretchen Atwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The book &quot;Story&quot; was recently recommended to me. It&#039;s by Robert McKee and focuses on writing screenplays but it is great (so far) addressing the core dynamics that create any good story. 

It is also an inspirational work that really gets me excited to write. And sometimes additional motivation is very necessary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The book &#8220;Story&#8221; was recently recommended to me. It&#8217;s by Robert McKee and focuses on writing screenplays but it is great (so far) addressing the core dynamics that create any good story. </p>
<p>It is also an inspirational work that really gets me excited to write. And sometimes additional motivation is very necessary!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judith,
your idea that plot is a boundary to curb infinity is nothing short of brilliant! thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judith,<br />
your idea that plot is a boundary to curb infinity is nothing short of brilliant! thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow that is deeply thought provoking.

i never thought of plot that way. i suppose plot = art and creativity. the loss of plot in television and movies has created media like twinkies, addicting and ultimately unsatisfying, leaving us hungry, always hungry.

your article makes me want to know more about plot and true storytelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow that is deeply thought provoking.</p>
<p>i never thought of plot that way. i suppose plot = art and creativity. the loss of plot in television and movies has created media like twinkies, addicting and ultimately unsatisfying, leaving us hungry, always hungry.</p>
<p>your article makes me want to know more about plot and true storytelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen Atwood</title>
		<link>http://elizabethstark.com/2009/09/16/the-plot-against-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator>Gretchen Atwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many things are cyclical and perhaps recent works that have been lauded for experimentation or other non-plot-focused elements may have triggered a backlash of sorts, a hue and cry for the return of plot.

Many forms of art and human expression experience this, a push forward and then a &quot;back to basics&quot; reaction, usually with a twist that makes it not exactly the same as in the past but different from what just transpired. 

This description (mine) is an oversimplification of the process I see but I have no immediate explanation for why this happens, nor what triggers it and when. 

I notice some of these patterns in odd places, like looking at what offensive and defensive formations are in vogue in pro football. The single wing, the modern T formation, the I formation, Cover Two, the 4-3 vs. the 3-4, the misnamed West Coast offense, etc, etc.

Whatever is new is often a reaction to what currently exists, a craving for something different. &quot;Perhaps it will be new and better!&quot; we think. And sometimes that new thing could be a reaction to things outside the obvious realm.

For example, many times there is a move to simplify sports once things get complex and get back to &quot;putting the best athletes on the field and letting them do what they do best.&quot; 

Does that mean that the revival of the &quot;Wildcat&quot; formation in the NFL (taken from the pros and earlier from the single wing) was perhaps as much a reaction to the complexity of America&#039;s position in the modern political world as it is to the complexity of a football team&#039;s playbook or the defenses they face?

I don&#039;t really know. But it is an interesting thing to ponder. Likewise, I don&#039;t think plot ever went away but it perhaps wasn&#039;t the hot new trend to follow and now people are calling for a return to it as a way of making the old seem new again. And quite possibly as a way to simplify our literary goals in the context of a complex world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many things are cyclical and perhaps recent works that have been lauded for experimentation or other non-plot-focused elements may have triggered a backlash of sorts, a hue and cry for the return of plot.</p>
<p>Many forms of art and human expression experience this, a push forward and then a &#8220;back to basics&#8221; reaction, usually with a twist that makes it not exactly the same as in the past but different from what just transpired. </p>
<p>This description (mine) is an oversimplification of the process I see but I have no immediate explanation for why this happens, nor what triggers it and when. </p>
<p>I notice some of these patterns in odd places, like looking at what offensive and defensive formations are in vogue in pro football. The single wing, the modern T formation, the I formation, Cover Two, the 4-3 vs. the 3-4, the misnamed West Coast offense, etc, etc.</p>
<p>Whatever is new is often a reaction to what currently exists, a craving for something different. &#8220;Perhaps it will be new and better!&#8221; we think. And sometimes that new thing could be a reaction to things outside the obvious realm.</p>
<p>For example, many times there is a move to simplify sports once things get complex and get back to &#8220;putting the best athletes on the field and letting them do what they do best.&#8221; </p>
<p>Does that mean that the revival of the &#8220;Wildcat&#8221; formation in the NFL (taken from the pros and earlier from the single wing) was perhaps as much a reaction to the complexity of America&#8217;s position in the modern political world as it is to the complexity of a football team&#8217;s playbook or the defenses they face?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really know. But it is an interesting thing to ponder. Likewise, I don&#8217;t think plot ever went away but it perhaps wasn&#8217;t the hot new trend to follow and now people are calling for a return to it as a way of making the old seem new again. And quite possibly as a way to simplify our literary goals in the context of a complex world.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Reeves-McMillan</title>
		<link>http://elizabethstark.com/2009/09/16/the-plot-against-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Reeves-McMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modernism as a project had a tendency to systematically empty all significance out of the vessel and then smash the hollow vessel as a demonstration of its hollowness (or rather, as I always insist, hollowed-ness).

I think we&#039;re coming round to another new way of looking at the world, which isn&#039;t postmodernism. Transmodernism? Something. One that&#039;s able to recapture and recycle what&#039;s valuable from earlier stages - things like plot.

(And by the way, I&#039;m one of those adults who reads YA fiction, exactly because it tells a good, uncluttered story in which things happen and people change as a result.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modernism as a project had a tendency to systematically empty all significance out of the vessel and then smash the hollow vessel as a demonstration of its hollowness (or rather, as I always insist, hollowed-ness).</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re coming round to another new way of looking at the world, which isn&#8217;t postmodernism. Transmodernism? Something. One that&#8217;s able to recapture and recycle what&#8217;s valuable from earlier stages &#8211; things like plot.</p>
<p>(And by the way, I&#8217;m one of those adults who reads YA fiction, exactly because it tells a good, uncluttered story in which things happen and people change as a result.)</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Judith. I love how you describe the uses of plot in curbing time&#039;s infinity. Indeed! Thanks for the repost, too. Always appreciated, and now we are FB friends. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Judith. I love how you describe the uses of plot in curbing time&#8217;s infinity. Indeed! Thanks for the repost, too. Always appreciated, and now we are FB friends. <img src='http://elizabethstark.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Judith Nasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith Nasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plot! Maybe plot goes in and out of style, but it is always here. Plot is a way we order our stories/lives, especially in hard times. I think of the popularity of &quot;Gone With The Wind&quot; in the depression times of the 30&#039;s or the plots of... Dickens and George Eliot in the harsh Victorian times. People crave plots, a certain structure in their unstructured lives. This is no doubt why mysteries are such a popular genre as they are plot driven. For me plot is very important in my chosen genre of historical fiction as it closes in a time line that could stretch to infinity ;-) . I&#039;m an advocate for plot staying out of the closet &amp; co-existing with style, modernist, and all other forms of fiction! P.S. As I am so intrigued by this conversation, I also posted this to my Facebook Wall: http://www.facebook.com/judith.nasse?ref=profile</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plot! Maybe plot goes in and out of style, but it is always here. Plot is a way we order our stories/lives, especially in hard times. I think of the popularity of &#8220;Gone With The Wind&#8221; in the depression times of the 30&#8242;s or the plots of&#8230; Dickens and George Eliot in the harsh Victorian times. People crave plots, a certain structure in their unstructured lives. This is no doubt why mysteries are such a popular genre as they are plot driven. For me plot is very important in my chosen genre of historical fiction as it closes in a time line that could stretch to infinity <img src='http://elizabethstark.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  . I&#8217;m an advocate for plot staying out of the closet &amp; co-existing with style, modernist, and all other forms of fiction! P.S. As I am so intrigued by this conversation, I also posted this to my Facebook Wall: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/judith.nasse?ref=profile" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/judith.nasse?ref=profile</a></p>
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