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		<title>By: Groupthink and critique &#171; 80,000 words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Groupthink and critique &#171; 80,000 words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] feedback all these years. I understand things now that I didn&#8217;t understand back then. Elizabeth Stark addressed the topic of responding to critique: In order to be helpful, critique must be absorbed. What is unhelpful must be disregarded, and a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] feedback all these years. I understand things now that I didn&#8217;t understand back then. Elizabeth Stark addressed the topic of responding to critique: In order to be helpful, critique must be absorbed. What is unhelpful must be disregarded, and a [...]</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah--This is the bind, exactly, but very few sources are reminding us that we might know, that we can trust ourselves, and that time is often the ingredient required to know whether it&#039;s just hard or locked up. Gentle forward motion until we detect that that is, in fact, a full stop wall before us and not a difficult moment . . . I heard Denis Johnson say that he&#039;d written &quot;Car Crash While Hitchhiking&quot; as a poem and had even sold the poem to (or placed the poem at) a magazine, when he realized that it was a short story and had to withdraw it from publication! So his example is particularly useful to us. Thanks for adding your wonderful insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah&#8211;This is the bind, exactly, but very few sources are reminding us that we might know, that we can trust ourselves, and that time is often the ingredient required to know whether it&#8217;s just hard or locked up. Gentle forward motion until we detect that that is, in fact, a full stop wall before us and not a difficult moment . . . I heard Denis Johnson say that he&#8217;d written &#8220;Car Crash While Hitchhiking&#8221; as a poem and had even sold the poem to (or placed the poem at) a magazine, when he realized that it was a short story and had to withdraw it from publication! So his example is particularly useful to us. Thanks for adding your wonderful insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth --

Thank you for this beautiful entry! The tricky thing is that since writing is usually hard (every so often it&#039;s easy, tricking us so that we&#039;re like the narrator of Denis Johnson&#039;s &quot;Car Crash While Hitchhiking&quot; -- &quot;I&#039;ve gone looking for that feeling everywhere&quot;), it&#039;s difficult to tell when it&#039;s justifiably hard and needs to be hard and when we&#039;re making it hard because we&#039;re on some wrong track and the inner mechanism is locking up accordingly. 

Sometimes a critique helps us figure out where the lockup (or lockdown?) is coming from, and we&#039;re excited to get moving again. But then sometimes the critique just reinforces the self-doubt, at least until we find our own way to incorporate it. (Again, are we just being stubborn or is the critique -- though undoubtedly right -- off-track for what we&#039;re trying to do?) I&#039;m always aware of this as a teacher, and keep reminding people that I&#039;m often wrong and that they&#039;re the world&#039;s expert on their own work. Though sometimes it doesn&#039;t feel that way to them (or to me when I&#039;m writing).

thanks,
Sarah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth &#8211;</p>
<p>Thank you for this beautiful entry! The tricky thing is that since writing is usually hard (every so often it&#8217;s easy, tricking us so that we&#8217;re like the narrator of Denis Johnson&#8217;s &#8220;Car Crash While Hitchhiking&#8221; &#8212; &#8220;I&#8217;ve gone looking for that feeling everywhere&#8221;), it&#8217;s difficult to tell when it&#8217;s justifiably hard and needs to be hard and when we&#8217;re making it hard because we&#8217;re on some wrong track and the inner mechanism is locking up accordingly. </p>
<p>Sometimes a critique helps us figure out where the lockup (or lockdown?) is coming from, and we&#8217;re excited to get moving again. But then sometimes the critique just reinforces the self-doubt, at least until we find our own way to incorporate it. (Again, are we just being stubborn or is the critique &#8212; though undoubtedly right &#8212; off-track for what we&#8217;re trying to do?) I&#8217;m always aware of this as a teacher, and keep reminding people that I&#8217;m often wrong and that they&#8217;re the world&#8217;s expert on their own work. Though sometimes it doesn&#8217;t feel that way to them (or to me when I&#8217;m writing).</p>
<p>thanks,<br />
Sarah</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Bulion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Bulion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, thanks, Elizabeth, for sparking our Facebook discussion with your blog! I thought I&#039;d crosspost here for those who aren&#039;t part of that discussion.

As you say, daydreaming and looking away are vital elements, and it&#039;s so important that we recognize and honor them. I had to step away from a critique of my current novel entirely--really remove myself from the work for a couple of months. I&#039;ll admit to having more than a few moments of doubt. Was this valid daydreaming? Trusting my subconscious to do its work? Or was it work avoidance? But then, after weeks and weeks of not actively thinking about or working on the novel, I sat up in bed one 3am with a string of ideas to scribble into my journal, and here I am, revising away. Gah, it&#039;s hard work--I wouldn&#039;t mind a little of that short-cut efficiency right about now!

I&#039;m going to take the final section of Elizabeth&#039;s comments to heart and not judge whether it&#039;s working or not until I&#039;m through and have let it steep for a bit. Then I&#039;m going to think about the first bit - about the power of YES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, thanks, Elizabeth, for sparking our Facebook discussion with your blog! I thought I&#8217;d crosspost here for those who aren&#8217;t part of that discussion.</p>
<p>As you say, daydreaming and looking away are vital elements, and it&#8217;s so important that we recognize and honor them. I had to step away from a critique of my current novel entirely&#8211;really remove myself from the work for a couple of months. I&#8217;ll admit to having more than a few moments of doubt. Was this valid daydreaming? Trusting my subconscious to do its work? Or was it work avoidance? But then, after weeks and weeks of not actively thinking about or working on the novel, I sat up in bed one 3am with a string of ideas to scribble into my journal, and here I am, revising away. Gah, it&#8217;s hard work&#8211;I wouldn&#8217;t mind a little of that short-cut efficiency right about now!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to take the final section of Elizabeth&#8217;s comments to heart and not judge whether it&#8217;s working or not until I&#8217;m through and have let it steep for a bit. Then I&#8217;m going to think about the first bit &#8211; about the power of YES!</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harriet and Thaisa--Thank you for your comments! I am honored to have two such great writers reading my blog, let alone benefiting from it! Harriet, yes, it&#039;s a funny upside-down world but over and over I hear writers wanting to come up with a process that is more efficient than the one they have that works. Yes, Thaisa, a &quot;process for understanding process&quot; because it&#039;s not supported by the usual concepts of work. For example, day dreaming and looking away from the project are two vital elements in writing that probably don&#039;t fly in the corporate world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harriet and Thaisa&#8211;Thank you for your comments! I am honored to have two such great writers reading my blog, let alone benefiting from it! Harriet, yes, it&#8217;s a funny upside-down world but over and over I hear writers wanting to come up with a process that is more efficient than the one they have that works. Yes, Thaisa, a &#8220;process for understanding process&#8221; because it&#8217;s not supported by the usual concepts of work. For example, day dreaming and looking away from the project are two vital elements in writing that probably don&#8217;t fly in the corporate world!</p>
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		<title>By: Thaisa Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thaisa Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so simple and cogent and true, Elizabeth. I&#039;m just finishing a book and dread starting the stupid-phase.  I aso agree that the pace and timing of absorption has everything to do with how it works.  It&#039;s amost as though a writer must have a process for understandng process.  Thank you for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so simple and cogent and true, Elizabeth. I&#8217;m just finishing a book and dread starting the stupid-phase.  I aso agree that the pace and timing of absorption has everything to do with how it works.  It&#8217;s amost as though a writer must have a process for understandng process.  Thank you for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet Chessman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet Chessman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, how I needed this incredibly sane and thoughtful entry, Elizabeth!  I&#039;m poised at a midway point in my novel ms., wondering if I&#039;m crazy or foolish, wondering if any of it will come right and become a STORY someone would like to read one day. . . and I look ahead and start doubting my instincts for how the story will / could unfold.  I LOVE that Stein passage!  and I love your phrase &quot;doubt efficiency.&quot;  In this world where even writers sometimes appear to be in some crazy Alice in Wonderland race, or some Olympics sports event, it&#039;s so reassuring and energizing to hear that one should &quot;doubt efficiency.&quot;  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, how I needed this incredibly sane and thoughtful entry, Elizabeth!  I&#8217;m poised at a midway point in my novel ms., wondering if I&#8217;m crazy or foolish, wondering if any of it will come right and become a STORY someone would like to read one day. . . and I look ahead and start doubting my instincts for how the story will / could unfold.  I LOVE that Stein passage!  and I love your phrase &#8220;doubt efficiency.&#8221;  In this world where even writers sometimes appear to be in some crazy Alice in Wonderland race, or some Olympics sports event, it&#8217;s so reassuring and energizing to hear that one should &#8220;doubt efficiency.&#8221;  Thank you.</p>
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